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Real prices and ideal prices

Real prices and ideal prices refers to a distinction between actual prices paid for products, services, assets and labour (the money that actually changes hands), and computed prices which are not actually charged or paid in market trade, although they may facilitate trade. The difference is between actual prices paid, and information about possible, potential or likely prices, or "average" price levels.[1] This distinction should not be confused with the difference between "nominal prices" (current-value) and "real prices" (adjusted for price inflation, and/or tax and/or ancillary charges).[2]

Ideal prices, expressed in money-units, can be "estimated", "theorized" or "imputed" for accounting, trading, marketing or calculation purposes, for example using the law of averages. Even if such prices therefore may not directly correspond to transactions involving actually traded products, assets or services, they can nevertheless provide "price signals" which influence economic behavior. For example, if statisticians publish aggregated price estimates about the economy as a whole, market actors are likely to respond to this price information, even if it is far from exact, based on a very large number of assumptions, and later revised. The release of new GDP data, for instance, often has an immediate effect on stock market activity, insofar as it is interpreted as an indicator of whether and how fast the market - and consequently the incomes generated by it - is growing or declining.

Ideal prices are typically prices that would apply in trade, if certain assumed conditions apply (and they may not).

The distinction is currently best known in the profession of auditing.[3] It also has enormous significance for economic theory, and more specifically for econometric measurement and price theory; the main reason is that price data is very often the basis for making economic and policy decisions.


  • Karl Marx 1
  • Illustrations of ideal prices 2
  • Actual and potential prices 3
  • Valuation criteria in pricing 4
  • Are prices exact? 5
  • FASB and the epistemology of prices 6
  • The economic calculation problem and prices 7
  • Price discovery and information asymmetry 8
  • See also 9
  • References 10

Karl Marx

A distinction between real (or actual) prices and ideal prices, was introduced in Marx's Grundrisse notebooks.[4] In A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy (1859),[5] Marx already criticizes James Steuart and John Gray because they fudged the distinction between actual prices and ideal prices.[6] In chapter 3 of the first volume of Das Kapital, Marx states:

The activity of pricing goods, services and assets, facilitating transactions, communicating prices and keeping track of them in fact consumes a very large amount of human labour-time, irrespective of whether it happens to occur in a centralized or decentralized way. Millions of workers are professionally specialized in such activities, whether as clerks, tellers, buyers, retail assistants, accountants, financial advisors, bank workers, or economists etc. If that work is not done, price information would not be available, with the result that the trading process would become difficult or impossible to operate. Whether or not this is considered "bureaucratic", it therefore remains an essential administrative service. People cannot "choose between prices" if they don't even know what those prices are; and, normally, they cannot just "make up" any kind of price they like, because costing, budgets and incomes depend precisely on what price is charged.

The creation of price information is a production process - its output is worth money, because it is vital for the purpose of trade, and without it the circulation of goods and services could not occur. Price information can therefore be bought and sold as a commodity as well. But the production process of prices themselves is often hidden from view and hardly noticeable. Therefore, people often take the existence of price information for granted and as obvious, meriting no further inquiry. "A mysterious certainty dominates our lives in late capitalist modernity: the price. Not a single day passes without learning, making, and taking it. Yet despite prices’ widespread presence around us, we do not know much about them."[8] A price may also be attached in the course of another activity, or the pricing procedure may be a closely guarded secret rather than accessible in an open market because if competitors knew about it, this could adversely affect business income.[9] But if pricing processes are viewed as production processes, it turns out that much more is involved than the observation of a price-tag or number might suggest.

For most of the history of economics, economic theorists were not primarily concerned with explaining the actual, real price-levels. Instead their theorizing was concerned with theoretical (ideal) prices. Simon Clarke explains for example:

It is only relatively recently that economists have tried to create generalizations about the actual pricing procedures used by business enterprises, based on information about what business people actually do (instead of an abstract mathematical model).[11]

Illustrations of ideal prices

  • An example would be an equilibrium price calculated by an economist. This is a price which a type of product or asset would theoretically have, if supply and demand were balanced. This price does not exist in actual trading processes except in special and rare cases; it is only an ideal or theoretical price level, which at best is only approximated in the real world.
  • In accounting practice, ideal prices are used all the time. For example, when accountants have to value a stock of assets, or a set of transactions across an interval of time (for tax, commercial or audit purposes), they apply rules and criteria to arrive at a price reflecting the cost or market-value of the stock or flow of transactions. In grossing and netting, they apply certain rules of inclusion and exclusion to obtain the desired measure. But the valuation obtained following a standard procedure is in truth only hypothetical, because it represents a price which the assets or flows would have if they were traded or exchanged under assumed (stylized or standardized) conditions, or if they were replaced at a certain point in time. In principle, they need not refer to any real transaction flows at all, being only an imputation. Yet, the ideal price obtained may nevertheless influence a whole lot of transactions based on it, to the extent that it provides information and a measure of how a related market process is thought to be evolving.
  • Ideal prices are often used in price negotiations, bidding, price estimation and insurance. These are calculated prices for things being traded, or the compensation which would be given, if certain conditions apply. Business deals can become very complex, and may involve numerous price assumptions. For example, the contract may be that if an average price trend occurs, then a certain amount of money will be paid out. Thus, the actual amount of money that changes hands may be conditional on a variety of price estimates.

Actual and potential prices

When goods are produced for sale, they may be priced, but those prices are initially only potential prices. There may not be any certainty about whether they will all fetch exactly the sum of money stated by those prices when they are actually sold, or whether they will be sold at all. In retrospect, the final value of an output, activity or asset may turn out to have been higher or lower than previously anticipated, because for various reasons prices and demand changed in the meantime. Thus, price negotiations, trading circumstances and the time factor may change actual prices realised from the prices originally set, and if price inflation occurs there is in addition a difference between the nominal prices and the inflation-adjusted price. The price of a stock or a debt security, expressed in a given currency, may be highly variable, and their variable yields may in turn revalue or devalue the prices of related assets.

Thus, the "price mechanism" is often not simply a function of supply and demand for a tradeable object, but of a structure of related and co-existing prices, where fluctuations in one group of prices impact on another group of prices - perhaps quite contrary to the wishes of buyers and sellers. In this sense, the concept of a "price shock" refers to a drastic change in the price of a good which is widely used, and which therefore suddenly changes a whole lot of related prices.

The sale price may be modified also by the difference in time between purchase and payment - for example, someone may opt to buy a product on credit, and pay interest in addition to the asking price for the product; and the interest charge may additionally vary during the interval in which the principal is paid off. Or, the price changes because of price inflation or because it is renegotiated. If it is not possible to pay for something within the previously expected time interval, that may also change prices.

Mike Beggs explains why credit instruments complicate the distinction between actual and ideal prices:

The effect of credit instruments is, that actual payments are removed in space and time from the trade in debt obligations, and indeed the trade in debt can occur without necessarily involving any transactions with real money. In turn, this blurs the distinction between actual money (i.e. hard cash) and ideal money, or between real and ideal prices. In developed economies, cash in circulation normally ranges from 6% to 8% of GDP, but the debts of private banks alone are already a multiple of GDP (in the EU area, about 3.5x the total GDP).[13]

Valuation criteria in pricing

Consequently, what the "real" price of a thing is, might be a topic of dispute, because it may involve conditions and valuation criteria which some would not accept, because they apply different valuation criteria, different conditions or have a different purpose. For example, an asset or product may be valued by accountants and statisticians at:

  • its historic cost,
  • its book value,
  • its accounting value,
  • its current market value,
  • its nominal value,
  • its accrual value,
  • its discounted, sale, bundle or groupon value,
  • its value for legal purposes,
  • its gross or net value,
  • its current replacement value,
  • its current trading value,
  • its warehouse or shop value when stored,
  • its value given its current location (or locational value)
  • its FOB value
  • its value before or after transport costs,
  • its transfer pricing value
  • its value in terms of its future earnings potential,
  • its insurance value,
  • its value for tax purposes
  • its pre-tax or post-tax value
  • its depreciated value,
  • its inflation-adjusted value,
  • its value given a risk of loss of value,
  • its value if it is traded at a specific time,
  • its value in a foreign currency,
  • its value at purchasing power parity
  • its final value,
  • its scrap value etc.

An interest rate can be considered to be the price of borrowing money for a period of time.[14]

A price can be computed for each of these valuations, depending on one's purpose. Often the purpose is assumed to be self-evident, being related to a specific transaction, and thus what the price of something is, is taken as obvious. But an object or activity can in reality be priced in many different ways, depending on what valuation is relevant, or what price is negotiated. In modern banking, there are literally hundreds of additional conventions used to value assets under a variety of conditions.

Are prices exact?

In an interview, the late Benoît Mandelbrot cited Louis Bachelier's thesis that prices have only one parameter defining their variability: they "can only go up or down" - and that, then, seems to provide a robust logical foundation for the mathematical modelling of price movements.[15] But this sidesteps the qualitative problem that many different prices can be calculated for the same good, for all kinds of different purposes, using different valuation assumptions or transaction conditions. Bachelier's idea already assumes that we have a standard way to measure prices. Given that standard, one can then perform all kinds of mathematical operations on price distributions. Yet tradeable objects can also be combined and repackaged in numerous different ways, in which case the referent price may not simply go up or down, but instead refers to a different kind of deal. This issue is wellknown to official statisticians and economic historians, because they face the problem that the very objects whose price movements they aim to track change qualitatively across time, which may necessitate adjustments of the classification systems used to provide standard measures. A good example of that is the regimen of the consumer price index, which is periodically revised. But in times of rapid social change, the problem of devising a standard measure may be much more pervasive.

FASB and the epistemology of prices

The Financial Accounting Standards Board [1] makes it very explicit that accounting measures for price information may not be completely exact or fully accurate, and that they may not be completely verifiable or absolutely authoritative. They may only be an approximation or estimate of a state of affairs. A price aggregate may be made up from a very large number of transactions and prices, which cannot all be individually checked, and the monetary value of which may involve a certain amount of interpretation. For example, a price may be set but we may not know for sure whether a good or asset actually traded at this price, or how far exactly the actual price paid diverged from the ordinary set price. However, the Board argues that, within certain acceptable limits of error, this is not a problem, so long as we bear in mind the practical purpose of the measures:


The economic calculation problem and prices

In the classic socialist calculation debate, economic calculation was a problem for centrally planned economies. Necessarily the central planners had to engage in price accounting, and had to use price information, but the volume and complexity of transactions was so great, that genuine central planning of the economy was often not really feasible in practice; often the state authority could only enforce the conditions of access to resources with the aid of extensive policing. An additional problem was, that much of the price information was actually false or inaccurate, because economic actors had no interest in providing truthful information, because the nominal price of goods did not reflect their value, or because goods changed hands informally in ways which could not be formally recorded and known. The effect was that the computed accounting information was often a mixture of fact and fiction.

Price discovery and information asymmetry

Commenting on the information problems associated with prices, Randall S. Kroszner, a Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States, theorizes:

In addition to the discrepancies between real prices and ideal prices, it may in fact be impossible at any one time to know what the "correct" price of something ought to be, even although it is being traded anyway, for an actual price. The "correct" price level is only an ideal price, namely a price at which supply and demand would tend towards balance. But because of inadequate information, that price may never be reached; supply and demand may only haphazardly adjust to each other using inadequate information. Just before the financial crisis of 2007–08, the Wall Street Journal reported that "Today, "way less than half" of all securities trade on exchanges with readily available price information, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst Daniel Harris. More and more securities are priced by dealers who don't publish quotes. As a result, money managers can no longer gauge with certainty the value of some assets in mutual funds, hedge funds and other investment vehicles...""[18] The reassurance of a self-balancing market does not matter much when people are making money, but when they do not, they become very concerned with market imbalances (mismatch of supply and demand). When the information needed to calculate prices is inadequate for any reason, it becomes susceptible to swindles, confidence tricks and fraud[19] which may be difficult to detect or combat, insofar as the trading parties have to make assumptions in interpreting price information where any "misunderstanding" is their own responsibility. The risks and risk-bearers may not be fully specifiable. In this context, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy states:

This problem is compounded if various extrapolated ideal prices used to guide economic actors rely on observed trends in real prices which fluctuate a great deal in ways that are difficult to predict, and if the predictions made themselves influence price levels. It plays an important role in the theory of information asymmetry to which Joseph Stiglitz has made important contributions.

Price information is likely to be reliable,

  • if market actors have a self-interest in providing true information,
  • if it is technically possible to obtain true and accurate information, and
  • if there are comprehensive legal sanctions (penalties) for false price information.

But additionally, any market cannot function unless participants show trust and cooperation, and are motivated to do so.

See also


  1. ^ "...existing price-theories do not concern themselves directly with actual market-prices, at which commodities are in fact sold and bought on the market, but with purely theoretical ideal ‘equilibrium’ prices. The only way in which such theories are allegedly related to real prices is indirectly, through the supposition that the ideal unit-price of each commodity-type is the long-term time-average of its real unit-price." Emmanuel Farjoun & Moshe Machover, The Laws of Chaos. London: Verso, 1983, p. 103.
  2. ^ A "nominal price" is sometimes also understood as a price formality which is only a reference, and differs from the actual deal struck.
  3. ^ Handbook of international standards on auditing and quality control. New York: International Federation of Accountants, 2009. "A difference between the outcome of an accounting estimate and the amount originally recognized or disclosed in the financial statements does not necessarily represent a misstatement of the financial statements. This is particularly the case for fair value accounting estimates, as any observed outcome is invariably affected by events or conditions subsequent to the date at which the measurement is estimated for purposes of the financial statements." (p. 472-473) "However, estimation uncertainty may exist even when the valuation method and data are well defined." (p. 479) "...International Accounting Standard (IAS) 39 defines fair value as “the amount for which an asset could be exchanged, or a liability settled, between knowledgeable, willing parties in an arm’s length transaction.” The concept of fair value ordinarily assumes a current transaction, rather than settlement at some past or future date. Accordingly, the process of measuring fair value would be a search for the estimated price at which that transaction would occur." (p. 512).
  4. ^ Karl Marx, Grundrisse. New York: Vintage Books, 1973, p. 402.
  5. ^ Karl Marx,A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy (1859), chapter 2, Note B: Theories of the Standard of Money.[2]
  6. ^ Costas Lapavitsas, Profiting without producing. London: Verso, 2014, p. 79.
  7. ^ , ch 3, section 1Capital Vol. 1Marx,
  8. ^ Koray Çalışkan, "Price as a Market Device: Cotton Trading in Izmir Mercantile Exchange". In M. Callon, Y. Millo and F. Muniesa (eds.) Market Devices. London: Blackwell Publishing, 2007, p. 241.
  9. ^ "According to the Information Security Oversight Office, which keeps watch over the U.S. government's secrets, more than 3.5 million new secrets are created each year.' That works out to almost 10,000 new secrets a day. No doubt many more secrets were not even recorded. Until recently, even the rules and criteria for classifying and declassifying secret information were themselves secret. There are now two million officials in government and another one million in private industry with the authority to classify documents." Dennis F. Thompson, “Democratic Secrecy,” Political Science Quarterly, Vol. 114, No. 2, Summer 1999, p. 181.
  10. ^ Simon Clarke, Marx, Marginalism and Modern Sociology. London: Palgrave Macmillan, 2nd edition 1991, p. 145.
  11. ^ Frederic S. Lee, Post-Keynesian Price Theory. Cambridge University Press, 1999.
  12. ^ Mike Beggs, "Debt: the first 500 pages", in: Jacobin, Issue 7-8, August 2012.[3]
  13. ^ George Georgiopoulos, "Cash airlift helped avert Greek bank run during debt crisis: paper". Reuters online, 3 March 2013. Éric Toussaint, Banks versus the People: The Underside of a Rigged Game!. International Viewpoint, 22 January 2013.
  14. ^ Milton Friedman, Price Theory. Chicago: Aldine, 1976, p. 10.
  15. ^ John Authers, "Why 'efficient markets' collapse", video interview with Benoit Mandelbrot, in: Financial Times website, 30 September 2009
  16. ^ FASB Statement of Financial Accounting Concepts No. 2 Qualitative Characteristics of Accounting Information May 1980 [4]
  17. ^ Randall S. Kroszner, "Innovation, Information, and Regulation in Financial Markets", Speech at the Philadelphia Fed Policy Forum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, November 30, 2007 (emphasis added) [5]
  18. ^ Susan Pulliam, Randall Smith and Michael Siconolf. "U.S. Investors Face An Age of Murky Pricing: Values of Securities Tougher to Pin Down." Wall Street Journal, 12 October 2007, p. A 1.
  19. ^ Laura Northrup, "90% Off An Imaginary Price Is Not A Sale." The Consumerist, 5 April 2011.[6]
  20. ^ Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy"Risk", in
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